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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to a

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live stream tonight of the show this

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will go out on the podcast feed tomorrow

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morning monday but i'm excited to do

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this live tonight because we have two of

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the speakers and one of the organizers

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of the midwest conference on the unknown

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coming to cape girardeau missouri august

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5th through the 7th we're going to talk

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all about what's going to be going on at

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the conference who's going to be

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speaking

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this guy those guys are going to see in

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just a sec and a ton of other amazing

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speakers and special events going on

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there in missouri but before we do that

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we're going to talk some of the latest

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ufo news with these two people whom i

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respect greatly who i am honored to call

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not just colleagues but good friends as

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well so let's not waste any more time

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let's bring them in right now we have

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micah hanks and michael huntington

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welcome guys to somewhere in the skies

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how's it going hello

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cheers gentlemen before we start i know

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it's hot there micah where you are i

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don't know how it's going to missouri

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michael but it's hot here too so i've

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got a cold bevy right here

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the go fast sightings beer so right well

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yeah i guess i'm gonna i'm just gonna

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have to follow suit you know uh and jump

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in here on that um i i i haven't got a

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good you oh actually no there's totally

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a ufological uh tie in here because okay

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so corona

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uh some would say roswell others would

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say corona right uh some would say aztec

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incredible mythos of uh crash wreckage

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retrievals

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uh throughout parts of the southwestern

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united states so again yeah so there's

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at least a name

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italian there

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absolutely absolutely michael what are

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you drinking man are you the responsible

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one tonight

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when i do drink which is very rare uh i

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exclusively guinness

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i'm one of those weird persons uh you

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know i can have some wine or you know a

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shot or whatever every once in a while

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but uh you know i'm a family man so uh

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uh uh you know with a lot of kids so

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uh which is really bad for you

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almost a cryptozoological oddity so very

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fitting and apropos for the occasion

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very very good point my man we're

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keeping it we're all keeping it real

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tonight here and so we're in the skies

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um guys

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this is gonna be super laid back i'm so

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happy to have you guys here i know i'm

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gonna see you both in almost a week and

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a half now out in missouri but i thought

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it'd be a really cool opportunity

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to talk about what we're going to be

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doing in missouri um talk about the

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speakers at the midwest conference on

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the unknown but before we do that

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there's been so much going on in the ufo

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world lately a lot of stuff being

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covered over at the debrief um so let's

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let's hop in with some of the latest

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news if you guys don't mind i've got um

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a little thing here this is probably the

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biggest story to come out in the last

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couple weeks micah this was written by

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you over at the debrief the pentagon

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reveals new name of its uap

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investigative office i'm sugg a whatever

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the heck that thing was is no more so

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yeah micah do you want to start man

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what's this new office uh what's gonna

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make it different from the other

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iterations we've heard of in the last

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year or so and uh give us your thoughts

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on this story if you don't mind

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well you know really this all goes back

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to last november uh as most lawmakers in

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the thanksgiving holiday we saw a

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surprise announcement uh this was quite

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a development and that was the dod

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announcing the establishment of the

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airborne object identification

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known affectionately as aimsag even

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though that's not really a very accurate

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description of how the words would sound

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if you tried to read them out but anyway

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this is how you know the the respected

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there ronald moultrie had described it

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um this was a surprise because of course

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the national defense authorization act

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a uap office that would definitely go

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beyond the scope of what seemed to be

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people were asking if this passes as

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legislation is this going to mean that

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there's going to be more than one uap

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a statement from her spokesperson

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elizabeth landau who had said that you

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know the aimsag although we appreciate

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what the dod is trying to do in no way

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covers all the parameters of what we're

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looking at for the proposed anomaly i

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surveillance and resolution office i

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i know and trying to keep up with all of

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near herculean task and i'm no hercules

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but the point is is that they had wanted

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to look at you know having you know

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field dispatch teams who could

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you know having a science team that

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would evaluate this there was supposed

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to be an oversight panel uh members of

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harvard astronomer avi loeb's galileo

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project was supposed to constitute this

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panel as well as members of an

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that the gila brand amendment and its

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version of the uap office would take

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being included in the final senate

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package and passed into law early this

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year signed into law by president joe

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amendment so i reached out to the

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pentagon susan goff got back with me and

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told me that no they didn't include the

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name for the office in the legislation

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purposefully so that the aim sog as it

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purview of what congress has directed

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congressional hearings earlier this year

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that mr moultrie had said that name's

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which is supposed to do exactly what

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law and this is going to be the dod uap

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investigative component so that's kind

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of where we are right now that little

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uh and where it goes from here is

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right and this is a really interesting

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believe by moultrie uh this includes

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objects that's the part that really

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michael would you mind touching on that

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a little bit man do you think this is as

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someone who strives for scientific uh

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exploration of this topic and um you

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know credibility what do you think of

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this thing is this just another blue

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book in its millionth version now in

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2021 excuse me 22. well i'm a year

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behind guys um what do you make of all

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well uh it is certainly fascinating uh

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what it is going to be or or what it is

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now is sort of uh open to interpretation

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uh are we going to get some sort of

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we shall see it it certainly

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is a defense organization though

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uh subject proper it is at least going

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incursions uh that are being reported or

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have been reported uh there at a minimum

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is at least some sort of a drone problem

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or some sort of an incursion pro

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it's of concern to military and

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intelligence so it's going to be taken

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at least these uh further cases i think

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make real determinations as to

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likely explanations uh i don't think

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you're going to see this governmental

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any sort of disclosure like conclusion

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that declares something is

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as you have seen in the past you know

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that i think there's going to be uh

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you know there's not really a mandate to

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give all this information out other than

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how much we're going to get

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it it's debatable that their the new

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office has opened up a twitter space so

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they're at least going to be engaging

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you know and maybe there's a recognition

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of of ufo twitter there or maybe there's

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you know

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there's there's more connections there

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with the social media aspect

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that is intriguing you know certainly um

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are they gonna give us reports are they

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gonna get ufo resources involved yeah

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because you know ufo twitter we're not

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gonna keep our mouth shut if they put a

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case on there

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we're going to be into it we're in your

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investigation sorry you know we're going

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to put our opinions out there uh so

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it'll be interesting to see what happens

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um

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i just hope we get some interesting

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cases to look at and and and things that

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make us rise to that next level of you

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know what do we need scientifically here

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how do we

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continue to progress this because the

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goal is going to be we're going to want

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some evidence

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that's what we want ultimately

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we want the stories we want the accounts

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accounts because we want to delve into

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those but you know we want some serious

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evidence

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that we can

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sneak our t's into or you know foia

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files that we can sync our teams into i

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think we're going to get a little bit of

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all that

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yeah if i may just add really quickly to

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what michael's talking about i mean

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again and this is one reason i just got

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to say you know if i can geek for a

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moment why it's going to be so great up

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there in cape girardeau when we're all

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sharing space you know and talking about

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this because it's evident i mean we've

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got so much going on right now so many

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ideas everybody wants to share um and

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frankly coming out of the last two years

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with everybody having to kind of keep

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those conversations in the digital

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sphere

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it's going to be so wonderful to do that

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in human like space with one another in

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in the real world that's been so lacking

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from this dialogue but but as michael

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pointed out uh we have a twitter handle

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right for the aaro

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and what are we gonna call that can we

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just call it the arrow the ro arrow i

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think works

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i like that i think we'll go with arrow

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at least you know

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for the purposes of our conversation

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here but it having a social media

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presence already that didn't happen with

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aim sog

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didn't even happen to my knowledge with

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the uab task force so i mean if anything

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this does seem to show

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that the

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the dod is hoping to have

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a

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they're going to be distinctive

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limitations in terms of how much can be

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revealed

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but on the other side there is also a

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definitiveness i guess about this right

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there's something of a statement being

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made the fact that the predecessors

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didn't have

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their own twitter handles not just a

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hashtag but again a actual handle and i

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followed it as soon as i saw moultrie

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tweeting about this

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that seems to indicate that well there's

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a lasting component here we plan to have

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this office at least for some time

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and i think actually some of the the

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parameters in terms of length and then

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also what the office is intended to do

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or outlined in the legislation from

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earlier this year

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but that definitely seems to say that

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the dod uh is expecting for this to be a

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presence for you know at least the next

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few years and enough so that they're

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already kind of you know staking their

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claim in social media

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the other side of that that may also

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entail

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questions about well how forward-facing

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will this be really is the whole idea of

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engaging you know with the ufo twitter

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crowd uh openly in what even though i

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doubt sincerely we're going to be seeing

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tweets at people or interactions you

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know from the aero account

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let's take a you know a hint from maybe

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past instances where government offices

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and things have had a twitter presence

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like the cia often they're actually

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making fun of topics like ufos and and

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kind of you know making humorous

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references to the subject and their

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tweets uh in a way that you would expect

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people to engage with one another online

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so can we expect the same from the arrow

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the all domain anomaly resolution office

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maybe so that remains to be seen but i

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think in itself that there is already

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that social media handle that could be

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pretty significant but one final point

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that michael makes that's really really

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important here again you mentioned

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michael there being a drone problem and

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we can acknowledge at least that much

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let's not leave with a presumption that

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the uap investigative elements within

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government right now are looking for dim

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aliens you know because if anything what

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they have been

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tasked with doing is just analyzing any

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kind of defense risks any kind of

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challenges to national security weather

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and again this is also something you

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pointed out ryan that be in our airspace

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or if that actually is occurring at sea

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below or actually transitioning between

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the mediums of sea and air as has been

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you know proposed with these so-called

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trans-medium

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aircraft technologies objects whatever

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they may be

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so we have to take into consideration

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that really

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our expectations especially in the ufo

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community having looked at the

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possibility of an exotic intelligence

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and a technology

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being what uap represents and being the

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concept of this being something that is

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not human that may not be exactly how

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the government looks at it in fact the

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majority of what they'll be looking at

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probably has much to do much more to do

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with down-to-earth threats and other

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challenges that emanate from here rather

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than from up there

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right exactly and we should say here

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this is the the twitter account for this

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new

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right there we see lazar is trending

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that could not be more perfect than for

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our live stream tonight guys

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lazarus trending again

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um so make of that what you will so is

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he-man i'm interested to learn more

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about that that's gotta be a comic-con

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thing but um yeah yeah loving these

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trending things over here um awesome

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guys well i'm glad i could get your

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thoughts on that because it was it was

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exciting news again this is an evolution

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in the official dome of this topic

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within the us government at least we

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also just had congressional hearings

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here in the united states also in brazil

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something i'm going to be uh covering on

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the show in the very near future um but

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i want to move on guys to another big

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story that recently um

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that recently came to our attention and

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that is this

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we got some of the most historic images

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to ever grace our human eyeballs and

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that came from the james webb

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telescope i mean look at these things

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it's it's absolutely incredible so i

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want to know first and foremost did

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either of you get to watch the uh the

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press briefing that occurred the day

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before they released these images it was

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pretty interesting right a little

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awkward just like i would expect from

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nasa and biden but um yeah what did you

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guys think when these images first

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dropped uh michael let's start with you

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man if you don't mind

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well uh i i i knew it was going to be a

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an historic moment you know they're they

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were i think they lit the empire state

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building up in gold right

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yep uh in honor of it and uh everybody

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was you know counting down

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uh

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the minutes to you know these pictures

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that we knew sort of what they were and

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and what areas were being uh looked at

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and then

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you know i i had you know my screen set

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up and i was projecting it and i was

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watching it with my boys you know

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because i was like hey you're gonna

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remember the time that we uh

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watch this you know

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and of course then we waited for like 45

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minutes they just left us waiting

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and this music was playing over and over

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and over and and you know i'm getting on

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twitter and everybody's just making fun

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of it the memes are just rolling right

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at it and then

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and then it started and then it uh

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you know the pictures were kind of way

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back there and then people were

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i guess politicians were saying stuff

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you know and then uh and it just sort of

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ended you know and i was kind of

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disappointed you know and

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yeah that's yeah

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yeah it was kind of a um i i was

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expecting the um kirby enthusiasm music

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to come in at the end there that would

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have been all too perfect but um hey i

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think the most important part of this

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and michael you're right like this

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hopefully will be something your

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children will remember the day they saw

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the first images from james webb i mean

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i remember micah i was with you

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digitally when um the rover first landed

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on mars and my god man like i think all

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of us had tears in our eyes it was such

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a

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know

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uh asking me is this anything earth

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shattering you know is this life

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changing can i not watch this i'm like

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yeah you know go out there uh till the

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garden if you like go take your wife to

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lunch no problem i mean it's not gonna

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change your life maybe if you aren't as

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interested in space exploration

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uh as someone like i am but

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for me this was

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one of the most significant

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um milestones i think that we've seen in

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in terms of not just modern space

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exploration

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uh but also of course in terms of what

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this uh what some have called the modern

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space race or you know what uh

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commentators like rod pyle have called

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space 2.0

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what i really think is the the key

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takeaway about

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the james webb space telescope is that

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you know we have the most advanced

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science observatory

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that humans have ever put into space and

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it's right now out there at lagrange

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point to collecting data

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and sure these images look great but for

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a lot of people they look a lot like the

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kinds of images that we're used to

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seeing but i'll just point out and

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although these are it should be you know

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emphasized here

556
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the images we're getting from web

557
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,480
are combinations of images from several

558
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,799
of the different uh instruments on board

559
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,280
the the telescope several different

560
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,280
imaging systems and cameras

561
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,320
nasa forms composite imagery in that way

562
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,520
and that's what we're seeing here which

563
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,919
is what allows the rich depth of color

564
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,240
the incredible detail that you see

565
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,760
but what we also are able to see are

566
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,240
things that previously and this is where

567
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,760
things get a little nuanced and where i

568
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,240
personally get really excited uh it's

569
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,000
not just pretty colors it's not just

570
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:08,000
vivid detail and sharper resolution than

571
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,360
what we've seen before we're literally

572
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,799
seeing things that were not visible

573
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,760
before

574
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:14,000
um for instance i think the nebula if

575
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,440
you look in the center of the image that

576
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,720
you have right there you've got a pair

577
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,720
of nebula

578
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,080
one on the left that has a bluish color

579
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,280
one on the right that has a reddish

580
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,039
color

581
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,640
in previous attempts at imaging that

582
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,840
nebula we've known that there was a

583
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,520
binary star

584
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,600
at the heart of it we weren't able to

585
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,960
see that

586
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,960
but now we actually have very clear

587
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,559
imagery representative of that because

588
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:36,159
of the infrared wavelengths that are

589
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,440
captured by the james webb space

590
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,200
telescope which unlike its predecessor

591
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,760
the hubble is able to actually discern

592
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,480
data that the for instance the human eye

593
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,320
would not be able to see which would not

594
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,440
be able to uh you know perceive

595
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:51,200
and that's important because it's much

596
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,480
of the data that we're actually able to

597
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,799
collect about distant galaxies and which

598
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,640
we're doing with james webb comes in

599
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,559
that spectra or rather in those

600
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,559
wavelengths now of course in terms of

601
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,799
spectra spectrographic information

602
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,440
that's relayed to us back by a web in

603
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,480
other words breaking apart the

604
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,559
bandwidths of light and looking for key

605
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,559
signatures in terms of minerals elements

606
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,400
what have you we're also getting a lot

607
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,240
of data like that um during the press

608
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,600
conference the other day it was stated

609
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,200
that we also saw the transit of an

610
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,799
exoplanet and we were able to detect in

611
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,159
the atmosphere of that from the

612
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:21,760
spectrography

613
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,400
the oxygen and the hydrogen

614
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,080
in its atmosphere well if you've got

615
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,600
hydrogen and you've got oxygen that

616
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,039
means you've got a very good chance for

617
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:30,880
there being water too and this is

618
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,520
helping us very quickly i mean just in

619
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,520
the first few days really since it came

620
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,679
fully operational and online it's

621
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,039
showing how web is going to be a

622
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,360
formidable really a force to be reckoned

623
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,919
with in terms of collecting data about

624
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:45,200
our universe but the final point i'll

625
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,559
make also is that because of the

626
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,240
wavelengths of the infrared light that

627
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,320
it gathers it's able to appear to the

628
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,159
very edges of the known universe and

629
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,080
it's able to show us life that has taken

630
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,640
13.5 billion years to travel to where we

631
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,799
are right now and we can see what those

632
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,480
galaxies look like

633
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,559
essentially as they appeared in that

634
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,960
formation stage that long ago and so

635
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,120
this is why you hear scientists saying

636
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,960
we're not just looking further out into

637
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,640
the universe we're looking back in time

638
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,600
we're seeing how our universe looks at a

639
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,919
different much earlier formative stage

640
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,440
and that's going to give us clues about

641
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,080
not only the formation of galaxies but

642
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,400
also really about our universe how it

643
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,200
has grown expanded and changed over time

644
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,840
so again i can't emphasize enough

645
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,679
that these aren't just pretty pictures

646
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,080
this the data that's contained in these

647
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,320
images is going to reshape in the years

648
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,240
ahead how i think we're going to

649
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,640
actually look at the universe

650
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,960
i love that man yeah it's not just about

651
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,600
the pictures guys we read the articles

652
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:45,200
too if there's anything i've learned

653
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,000
from

654
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,159
playboy um anyways moving on lord

655
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,480
ludwiger says great discussion thanks

656
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,400
man thanks everyone for being here i

657
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,919
didn't get to give you guys all a shout

658
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,440
out at the beginning but thank you

659
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,120
everyone we've got the regulars here

660
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,400
robert is here we've got awaiting aliens

661
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,880
um yeah just all all you guys thanks for

662
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,360
the support thanks for watching um one

663
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,600
more news story i want to talk about

664
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,080
before we get to the conference the core

665
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,440
of this conversation um is this

666
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:17,919
we have right now this weekend going on

667
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,799
the kecksburg ufo festival and no the

668
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,760
event did not happen in july it actually

669
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,400
happened in december but look just like

670
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,320
many around the country including in

671
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,559
missouri live conferences have been

672
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,720
suffering greatly for the past few years

673
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,840
with this obvious uh dilemma we've been

674
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,720
in for

675
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,600
for years and now at this point and um

676
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,840
yeah we're just now starting to get live

677
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,159
content conferences up and going again

678
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,159
which is amazing micah i know you've hit

679
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,200
up a bunch already this year um but this

680
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,080
is a big one kecksburg so i've actually

681
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:54,320
never guys covered this

682
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,440
incident on my show um so i would love

683
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,200
if either of you whoever wants to take

684
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:01,440
it first your thoughts on the kexpert

685
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,520
case of uh it was 1965 correct i'm i'm

686
00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:07,440
failing at ufology right now yep

687
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,840
december 9th

688
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,600
1965. um what do you guys make of this

689
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,240
case where does this case lay in ufo

690
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,919
history for you guys

691
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,440
personally michael why don't we start

692
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,039
with you

693
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,919
uh well uh

694
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,760
those of us who have

695
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,120
followed the lore

696
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:26,960
for a number of years know that there

697
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:30,240
are several uh ufo crash

698
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:31,200
uh

699
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,760
that have captured our imaginations

700
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,880
as well as the popular culture and of

701
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,039
course right up there at the top

702
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,480
is roswell

703
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,360
uh uh as one of the big ones uh shag

704
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:52,320
harbors maybe up there in the top few

705
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,760
uh aztec is possibly even up there but

706
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,400
certainly also occupying you know one of

707
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,120
these top spots would be the uh the

708
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:03,919
kecksburg uh pennsylvania

709
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:07,679
uh acorn crash that took place uh

710
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,070
near a small town in pennsylvania called

711
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,520
kecksburg

712
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,640
uh

713
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,440
folks there saw a fireball come out of

714
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,919
the sky and it was a fireball that was

715
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,039
seen by

716
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,600
uh people in other states so you know

717
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,120
there was some sort of

718
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:32,080
uh legitimate phenomena or something uh

719
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,039
it

720
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,799
came down uh uh during that time period

721
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,080
uh even skeptics will will tell you that

722
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:41,840
you know a satellite or a meteor or

723
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,279
something came down down that night

724
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,400
and uh quite possibly landed

725
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,440
in in a little you know ravine area near

726
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,400
kecksburg and uh

727
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,400
from there you know like like a lot of

728
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:58,320
these stories uh

729
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,600
you know the the town was sort of

730
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,679
overrun by the military people were

731
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,360
sworn to secrecy

732
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,120
uh you know the government came in

733
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,039
whisked things out and you know made

734
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,760
threats and you know all sort of strange

735
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,880
shenanigans and uh

736
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,039
reports from accounts from different

737
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,799
people over the years that you know saw

738
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,960
different things you know were close to

739
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,840
the objects that came down and it wasn't

740
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,159
a meteorite it was some kind of a

741
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,799
you know a metal device or

742
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,640
capsule with uh

743
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,799
exotic writing on it

744
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,240
and uh

745
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,080
you know that that goes to the question

746
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,679
of was it man-made was it foreign

747
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,159
uh was it uh a

748
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,279
government uh alien

749
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,000
or you know some other sort of strange

750
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,679
hoax type thing or

751
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:49,200
or a military

752
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,269
and you know these stories circulated

753
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,919
and uh uh people like stan gordon

754
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,480
investigated him a a great researcher

755
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,120
from that area been on it ever since you

756
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:05,360
know i've been lucky to talk to him and

757
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,159
uh

758
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,360
it's a fascinating story that has

759
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,240
captured the imagination over subsequent

760
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,880
uh generations now you know through tv

761
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:16,960
shows and you know like unsolved

762
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,760
mysteries and and sightings you know all

763
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,880
these different

764
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,760
uh generational uh retellings of the

765
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,520
story uh

766
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,240
uh

767
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,080
make us wonder what happened and we can

768
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,640
speculate and uh you know a lot of

769
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,440
people

770
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,880
lean towards you know a possible

771
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,640
satellite i think in most

772
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,559
interpretations now but

773
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,279
uh ultimately it's it's a ufo crash

774
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,000
story and uh it's uh

775
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,799
and the town celebrates it as a lot of

776
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,120
towns do celebrate break their folklore

777
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,880
and they have a uh

778
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,640
a festival there which uh you know

779
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,720
benefits the community which is a good

780
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,080
thing

781
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,480
absolutely and you know one of the most

782
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,760
i think uh

783
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,919
interesting aspects to this entire case

784
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,799
is also uh leslie kane the investigative

785
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,600
journalist was involved with a lawsuit

786
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,320
to try to get the files on this thing

787
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,640
from i believe it was nasa maybe micah

788
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,760
you can

789
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:13,679
expound on this because i don't know a

790
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,880
lot about this case again um this is not

791
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,600
one that i have really dug into but um

792
00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:22,159
where does this case lay in terms of ufo

793
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,240
history

794
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,559
controversy um do you what do you think

795
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:27,520
this

796
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,640
incident and why is it worth celebrating

797
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,360
with this festival in your opinion

798
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,360
well you know again and michael really

799
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,679
already gave us a great overview of the

800
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,840
main points i think that the three

801
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,039
primary

802
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:45,039
theories about what this object if there

803
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,399
was an object was and i think there's

804
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,600
pretty good evidence that there was one

805
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,120
we'll get to that in a moment

806
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,039
but the three primary theories are

807
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,600
either a fireball i.e a meteor

808
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,320
either the entry re-entry of a soviet

809
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,880
satellite uh or of course something more

810
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,440
exotic that again would fall within the

811
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,720
kind of ufo crash retrieval mythos which

812
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,480
to use the word myth my father's always

813
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,399
said this is not to assert that well it

814
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,960
didn't happen or it doesn't exist but

815
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,440
myths are often the byproduct of a real

816
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,840
event that people experience they

817
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,240
observe they tell it they retell it next

818
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,480
generation comes along and retells it

819
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,600
and a story you know a mythos is woven

820
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,960
around real events that may not

821
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,960
necessarily be entirely what had

822
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,880
actually happened what we do know is of

823
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,120
course that back in december 1965 it was

824
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,120
reported that something crashed

825
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,200
as it passed over ontario comes down

826
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,559
over the midwest

827
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,679
crashes

828
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,080
near kecksburg but it's reported

829
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,360
subsequently in newspapers that

830
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,799
authorities weren't able to actually

831
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,159
recover anything

832
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,559
which is curious because in advance of

833
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,200
the 40th anniversary of the event nasa

834
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,279
actually came forward and said

835
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,760
we did recover some bits of metallic

836
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,720
debris

837
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,320
and those do appear to be

838
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,200
consistent with the re-entry of a soviet

839
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,840
satellite that's probably what happened

840
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,440
but we don't have any documentation

841
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,360
because we lost it that's where leslie

842
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,120
kane came into this case leslie is part

843
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,640
of i think of a sci-fi television

844
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,200
program a few years back

845
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,760
had become involved in trying to appeal

846
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,600
through the foia process to get nasa to

847
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,279
reveal those documents

848
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:19,200
and again they maintained we just don't

849
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,399
have the documents there isn't a

850
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,600
cover-up we aren't trying to hide

851
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,440
anything we don't have those documents

852
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,600
now i mean a lot of people would say

853
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,120
that's very convenient that a

854
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,760
significant case like this

855
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,080
they happen to have lost all their

856
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,760
information something to the tune of

857
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,519
like two boxes of documents that they

858
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,440
supposedly had about this case

859
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,640
but keep in mind i mean i couldn't

860
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,240
imagine anything probably more

861
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,039
significant in the 20th century than the

862
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,960
apollo moon landing and the original

863
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,640
tapes from that moon landing also were

864
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,559
misplaced or lost or if anything

865
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,399
actually is was standard practice back

866
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,240
in those days they reused the tapes now

867
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,600
you wouldn't imagine that makes much

868
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,279
sense something as historic as putting

869
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,960
human beings on the moon and you tape

870
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,120
over the originals but that's actually

871
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,039
apparently what nasa did and they point

872
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,279
to that as uh evidence in support of

873
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,880
their loss of these documents as

874
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,039
treacherous and sad as it sounds they're

875
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,399
like hey we're human and that does

876
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,840
happen it's happened in the past and

877
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,840
that's no doubt what happened here

878
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,720
but

879
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,720
i do think it's interesting that

880
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,320
initial reports said there was nothing

881
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,240
found and then later nasa despite not

882
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,399
having any longer the documentation that

883
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:22,000
they said supported this

884
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,440
claiming that they had actually had

885
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,279
metallic debris that was consistent with

886
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,360
the reentry of a soviet satellite i

887
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,880
would say that that's probably the most

888
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,519
likely explanation but one final point

889
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,880
i'll also make about this is that you

890
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,480
know again when we talk about this idea

891
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:37,200
of a crash retrieval mythos or what i

892
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,480
would call the flying saucer crash

893
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,720
retrieval syndrome

894
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,240
there's a long history of this in the

895
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,840
united states if we go back to around

896
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,159
1886 in nebraska there was a newspaper

897
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,120
item about a mystery a metallic meteor

898
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,760
of mysterious origins which crashed into

899
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,600
a field and it scattered debris and a

900
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,360
group of cowboys observed this and when

901
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,880
they go back up there a few days later

902
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,559
to actually try and recover some of this

903
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,519
wreckage

904
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,279
from this mystery meteor as it was

905
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,200
termed in the newspaper article a heavy

906
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,799
rain came through and as the water from

907
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,799
the rain struck the object it melted it

908
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,159
like salt

909
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,760
that was

910
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,679
an interesting story it was also later

911
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,519
revealed in the 1920s to have been a

912
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,559
hoax

913
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,200
we also had in 1897 uh the famous

914
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,279
incident down there at aurora texas i've

915
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,440
been down there to that uh masonic

916
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,720
cemetery there in the little town of

917
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,080
aurora

918
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,120
and there is a historical uh sign right

919
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,600
there a state historical sign that says

920
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,880
you know this is the location where an

921
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,360
alleged airship crash in 1897 occurred

922
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,880
and the occupant the pilot was

923
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,960
supposedly buried in this little aurora

924
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,519
cemetery in likelihood that probably

925
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,279
also was a newspaper hoax but we should

926
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,919
keep in mind that between 1896 and 1897

927
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,559
that whole thing about airships began

928
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,799
with sightings over california of lights

929
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,880
in the sky and there were a number of

930
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,399
officials who were

931
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,760
you know cited in these newspaper

932
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,919
articles as having been witnesses to

933
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,600
these events now again it's it's

934
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,880
difficult when we get into shaky

935
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,399
territory if we start saying well one

936
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,640
newspaper article was probably a hoax

937
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:04,000
but all these other ones were probably

938
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,799
true

939
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,480
really it's going to be difficult for us

940
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,399
in hindsight to know

941
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,599
but if i had to speculate i would

942
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,119
actually say that there probably were

943
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,679
aerial phenomena of some kind that were

944
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,280
being observed and that there were

945
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,879
witnesses to this and that this gave

946
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,560
rise to a lot of interest in the idea of

947
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,480
prospective airship technologies that

948
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,320
the military or maybe a private inventor

949
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,480
was building the long story short is

950
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,879
that this kind of gave rise to these

951
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,399
discussions of airships and then of

952
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,919
course this crash story which we'd

953
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:31,440
already seen some time before in

954
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,760
nebraska another iteration occurs there

955
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,399
in 1897 at aurora texas and then we

956
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,320
continue to hear stories about crash

957
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,639
wreckages and retrievals and things uh

958
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:43,040
throughout of course 1947 with roswell

959
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,320
that had been reported in the roswell

960
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,399
daily record frank scully in his book

961
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,079
behind the flying saucers is talking

962
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,919
about an alleged crash at aztec new

963
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,240
mexico leonard stringfield is collecting

964
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,480
all kinds of stories about crashes that

965
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,919
occurred in the southwest throughout the

966
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,480
1970s and that in advance of the late

967
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:00,000
great stanton friedman talking with

968
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,520
jesse marcel

969
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:03,200
and then eventually the publication of a

970
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,240
book

971
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,240
partly as a result of some of the field

972
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,839
investigations by stan who had been the

973
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,800
first

974
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,280
in the field civilian investigator along

975
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,640
with william moore

976
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,160
more having gone and co-authored with

977
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:15,920
charles burlitz that book the roswell

978
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,880
incident but that book even was fairly

979
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,880
dismissive although it mentioned alien

980
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,400
bodies it was dismissive of a lot of

981
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,119
those claims but again as that mythos

982
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,359
continued to build we had other writers

983
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,280
kevin randle don schmidt and others get

984
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,960
involved we start hearing the stories

985
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,800
about alien bodies you know we have the

986
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,560
story of the mortician meeting with the

987
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,560
woman who had worked at army a roswell

988
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,320
army airfield and who had you know

989
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,880
claimed that she had seen bodies um it's

990
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,800
it's a complex

991
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,359
web of stories that again no doubt has

992
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,960
some truth in

993
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,040
in in you know in the historical side of

994
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,880
it but that truth has probably been

995
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,800
built on to so much over the years

996
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,640
that's very evident with roswell i think

997
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,240
that's probably very likely with

998
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,119
keksburg too but ryan final point as to

999
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,480
where it really sits in the history of

1000
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,280
ufos in america as you asked it is that

1001
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,480
i think it is and this is kind of

1002
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,760
speaking to what michael was talking

1003
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,839
about this kind of you know it's a

1004
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,599
component within this long-standing

1005
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,320
american tradition of the recovery of

1006
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,160
crashed exotic material of unknown

1007
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,720
origin and again that's a very american

1008
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,720
tradition there's probably some truth to

1009
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,480
it somewhere and we even saw recent

1010
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,320
legislation passed uh by the house

1011
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,240
intelligence committee for the proposed

1012
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,560
ndaa for next year saying hey you know

1013
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:27,760
going all the way back to the beginning

1014
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,119
of fiscal year 1947 we want data on

1015
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,560
anything that's been collected we know

1016
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,160
what they're referencing whether we

1017
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,079
actually find out we headed or not

1018
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,680
remains to be seen but it's a very

1019
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,280
american tradition

1020
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:40,560
you know finding things that have

1021
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,839
crashed and then hearing about cover-ups

1022
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,160
yep we've got many traditions here in

1023
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,040
america i am happy to make ufo crash

1024
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,359
retrievals one of them that will make me

1025
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,240
a proud american for sure um well

1026
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:57,359
speaking of crashes let's move on guys

1027
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,400
to

1028
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:02,079
reason the three of us are gonna be in

1029
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,599
missouri and that is a very uh famous

1030
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,480
crash for many missourians um that

1031
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:09,920
michael's going to be talking about at

1032
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,880
the midwest conference on the unknown so

1033
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,440
michael first before we even get to the

1034
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,079
event um how did it come to be this is

1035
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,400
going to be the inaugural festival that

1036
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,800
i know you're one of the co-organizers

1037
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,680
on um give us the skivvy man how did

1038
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,119
this come to be

1039
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:29,760
and um tell us a little about what the

1040
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,320
event is going to entail if you don't

1041
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,000
mind

1042
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,880
uh well uh i was approached uh by a

1043
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,880
friend of mine that i've known for 30

1044
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:41,280
years uh ken murphy he's a local uh you

1045
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,079
know

1046
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,480
uh conference organizer he's in that

1047
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:47,520
he's in the events business and uh he

1048
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,880
had been interested in bringing uh

1049
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,720
the sort of stuff that i'm interested in

1050
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,440
it you know paranormal ufos ghosts

1051
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,040
bigfoot anything anomalous and uh you

1052
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,640
know anything that

1053
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,560
you know sort of uh

1054
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,920
pushes us in

1055
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,760
different directions of thinking when it

1056
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,680
comes to uh

1057
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,359
you know what constitutes you know

1058
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,760
science methodology you know paradigm

1059
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:14,320
shifts all that sort of stuff uh

1060
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,200
uh

1061
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:16,960
we knew that we wanted it you know if it

1062
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,240
it we looked and saw that you know the

1063
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,560
midwest is a good place uh there's not a

1064
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,640
lot of conferences in this area uh

1065
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,240
people are sort of interested in this

1066
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,400
subject uh uh

1067
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,560
from recent years you know uh you know

1068
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,640
within the society within the culture

1069
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,440
these these topics have taken on and

1070
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,599
taken off in uh all different kinds of

1071
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:39,520
media and uh

1072
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,400
uh

1073
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,040
you know so i i began reaching out and

1074
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,640
uh uh

1075
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,119
contacted some of the best

1076
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:50,000
speakers i think in different areas uh

1077
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,119
that

1078
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:53,520
you know can provide a you know a really

1079
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,280
good conversation a really good uh uh

1080
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,280
you know traditional type conference

1081
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,800
that they used to have you know where it

1082
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,599
was

1083
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,520
uh you know people interacting you know

1084
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,520
it's not just everybody's up on the

1085
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,920
stage and everybody's over here you know

1086
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,520
i think we're gonna have just as many uh

1087
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,560
you know

1088
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,480
uh talented researchers and people

1089
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,040
within these different fields of inquiry

1090
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,280
within the audience just just as well as

1091
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,000
there will be on stage but you know we

1092
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:22,480
uh we reached out to you know you guys

1093
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,760
and uh you know some people within uh

1094
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,520
you know the cryptozoological

1095
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,920
communities and uh

1096
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:31,599
you know people that are that that are

1097
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,880
really bringing their a game and uh

1098
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,119
trying to deal with these uh these

1099
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,280
questions in a critically thinking

1100
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,320
manner

1101
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,400
uh you know so that we can try to work

1102
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,040
towards strategies to to try to you know

1103
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,680
get some real answers uh you know

1104
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,160
for consideration and uh

1105
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,839
uh i think we got a good little group

1106
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,240
here and and we're looking to do more

1107
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,320
conferences in the future and and to

1108
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,480
grow these conferences and you know to

1109
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,440
add workshops and and uh you know maybe

1110
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,119
even a a

1111
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,920
you know a visiting lecture stage you

1112
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,200
know for people that want to present

1113
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,200
papers you know

1114
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,680
things like that i think uh you know to

1115
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:13,599
kind of get us back towards

1116
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,760
you know uh some good reform-minded uh

1117
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,880
uh events that you know where we discuss

1118
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,079
you know trying to improve these

1119
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,760
research fields and deal with these

1120
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,079
questions and uh

1121
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,680
i think that's what we're looking to do

1122
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,079
and uh you know i'm i'm grateful that

1123
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,880
you guys are are participating i think

1124
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,680
uh

1125
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,599
you're some of the brightest people in

1126
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,040
this field

1127
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,000
um you know you're open to the mystery

1128
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,680
but you're also

1129
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,599
you know you have those questions in

1130
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,960
your hands

1131
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,720
and uh you know you don't want to be

1132
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,240
fooled either you don't want to be part

1133
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,880
of a belief system we want to all try to

1134
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,400
you know figure out

1135
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:53,680
great ways

1136
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,720
you know strategic ways to uh try to get

1137
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,280
the information you know ultimately i

1138
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,599
think scientific information

1139
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:03,599
uh you know is what we're gonna have to

1140
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,640
to try to promote and uh i'm looking

1141
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,880
forward to some great comp conversations

1142
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,720
and i think it's really going to be fun

1143
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:11,520
and

1144
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,680
to these subcultures too

1145
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,160
you know and we've sort of

1146
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,839
been pulled out of that

1147
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,240
these past few years and and due to the

1148
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,839
internet you know it's kind of just so

1149
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,359
easy to war

1150
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,839
you know it it it'd be great if we can

1151
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,839
get back to community by actually

1152
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,800
communing and sharing ideas and

1153
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:34,800
and and and learning how to elevate the

1154
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,560
discourse and uh have collegial

1155
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,560
conversations uh and still have

1156
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,400
differences of opinion that's how we're

1157
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,359
gonna

1158
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,160
achieve some of these answers and uh

1159
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,520
you know i think this is a good

1160
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,880
opportunity

1161
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,720
right well and you bring up you bring up

1162
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,400
a couple good points there michael and

1163
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,400
this is going to be my first conference

1164
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,640
in person conference since the pandemic

1165
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,200
so i'm like um i've forgotten how to

1166
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,839
interact with human beings in person

1167
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,520
like so this is going to be a very

1168
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,240
interesting social experiment for me but

1169
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,839
i think the other big exciting thing and

1170
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,079
the reason i signed on um i don't want

1171
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,400
to speak for micah but um i think it's

1172
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,079
because of the

1173
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,960
variety of speakers you know micah and i

1174
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,920
are so used to going to ufo conferences

1175
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:22,800
where it's just you know ufo researchers

1176
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,839
um bouncing the echo chamber back and

1177
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,680
forth back and forth but a conference

1178
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,400
like this i can go as a speaker

1179
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,119
but i'm also an attendee learning

1180
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,440
something about other topics and that's

1181
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,520
what i love about events like this where

1182
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,319
you have a cryptozoologist you have um

1183
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,079
you know a paranormal investigator you

1184
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,480
have a ufologist because that's what

1185
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,040
it's all about like we're all one big

1186
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,520
weird-ass family let's be completely

1187
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,920
honest and while we want to kind of

1188
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:54,000
narrow in on answers to the ufo

1189
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,520
phenomenon to the paranormal phenomena

1190
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,000
i think this is a wonderful opportunity

1191
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,480
for everyone to get together and see hey

1192
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,400
maybe some of these topics are connected

1193
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,200
to one another or maybe they are not um

1194
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,599
that's really up to the the person the

1195
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,960
researcher and

1196
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:13,839
those attending what they think but um

1197
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,720
i'd love to get micah your thoughts on

1198
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,560
uh when michael came to you with this

1199
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,960
event yeah what drew you to this i know

1200
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,520
for me i was like dude you don't have to

1201
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,240
ask me twice i'm there the sun's amazing

1202
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,560
um so what was it like for you

1203
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,400
well there is that collegial side of it

1204
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,599
you know that i mean i like all the

1205
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,000
people michael and yourself and you know

1206
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,000
some of some of the excellent speakers

1207
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,760
that are on the tap for this of course

1208
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,520
you know josh cutchen

1209
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,040
a very uh

1210
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,359
very interesting guy in terms of being

1211
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,359
someone who has you know kind of

1212
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,319
continued in my view the work of some of

1213
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,880
the luminaries like jacques valet

1214
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,400
and others and

1215
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,319
trying to look at look a little more

1216
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,359
deeply in an almost sort of folkloristic

1217
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,079
and anthropological sense at well could

1218
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,480
uap actually be representative

1219
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,119
of a broader deeper and longer lasting

1220
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:07,119
phenomenon and one that we as humans

1221
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,880
have experienced throughout time

1222
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,720
uh his work really again in that

1223
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,520
magonian sense of things citing valet's

1224
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,760
passport to magonia really carries on in

1225
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,760
that tradition uh but again all the

1226
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,520
speakers uh you know i'm naturally

1227
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,119
partial to guys like

1228
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,280
josh or ken gerhard you know who has

1229
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,720
been out there just you know really

1230
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,720
working tirelessly

1231
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,280
in the field of cryptozoology but more

1232
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,119
importantly in a topic that i'm really

1233
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,960
really passionate about

1234
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,480
it of course has to do with the search

1235
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,560
for relics hominoids

1236
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,160
more popularly known as sasquatch or

1237
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,520
bigfoot but i mean he's one of these

1238
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:41,040
researchers so if you watch ken's

1239
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,079
lectures

1240
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,680
he's talking about how can we apply

1241
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,839
science to the study of this many people

1242
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,599
would say well here's how you apply

1243
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,880
science to it you go and you get a

1244
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,359
degree in folklore and you but again

1245
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,359
there's a tremendous body of data that

1246
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,040
is strongly suggestive i was doing an

1247
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,800
interview earlier today about this very

1248
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,200
topic the a body of data and a

1249
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,680
long-standing uh american tradition that

1250
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,280
involves sightings

1251
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,280
of what appears to be a primate a

1252
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,359
human-like primate but one that is you

1253
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,440
know not unlike other higher primates

1254
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:11,760
extant today and certainly not unlike

1255
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,079
things that are recognized in the

1256
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,960
paleoanthropological record

1257
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,720
but which there seem to be very good you

1258
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,520
know and i think in many instances valid

1259
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,599
eyewitness observations of even in

1260
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,040
recent years

1261
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,760
and it's always been a bit paradoxical

1262
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,280
to me that although we we don't really

1263
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,240
know exactly what uap might be i mean we

1264
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,400
have ideas but we still haven't

1265
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,240
come close to resolving that question

1266
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,200
even in the odni report last june we had

1267
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,760
that other category which a lot of folks

1268
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,280
kind of look at as a throwaway category

1269
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,800
i look at that as the most important

1270
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,720
category because it's describing objects

1271
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,319
that exhibit what appear to be signature

1272
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,560
management that is they appear to

1273
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,040
possess the ability to reduce their

1274
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,200
visibility through electromagnetic means

1275
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,920
through the ability of use of decreasing

1276
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,599
electronically their detection

1277
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,920
capabilities radar jamming is something

1278
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,160
that's being observed hyper acceleration

1279
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,599
of objects which again speaks of

1280
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,079
technology all these things observed and

1281
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,839
hence we have to say we're not sure what

1282
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,480
this is let's give it a really ambiguous

1283
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,599
and unimpressive category title other if

1284
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,280
they'd called them possible et or

1285
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,480
something like that yeah it would have

1286
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,160
gotten a lot of attention raised a lot

1287
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,920
of eyebrows but the point i'm making

1288
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,680
here is that again that little that

1289
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,680
seemingly innocuous other category

1290
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,680
really points to a big mystery

1291
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,200
and there are a lot of implications a

1292
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,200
lot of potentials and yes

1293
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,880
one that has been on the table for years

1294
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,400
is we might be looking at

1295
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,319
extraterrestrials we don't know that

1296
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,560
could be and yet people these days in

1297
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,720
the modern uap debate are pretty quick

1298
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,440
to warm up to that idea despite the fact

1299
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,640
that we haven't got a lot of scientific

1300
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,240
data collected by astronomers and

1301
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,359
physicists that is indicative of the

1302
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,599
existence of intelligent species out

1303
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,520
there who are watching earth that's not

1304
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,880
to say that they aren't out there it's

1305
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,280
not to say by any means that you ap some

1306
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,839
uap might not represent that but again

1307
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,200
the fact that we don't have any data and

1308
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,720
yet people are so quick to warm up to

1309
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:02,960
that idea and yet when we sit down for a

1310
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,920
guinness you know in cape girardeau

1311
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,520
what do you do for a living mr hanks and

1312
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,160
i say well i study mysteries if i start

1313
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,680
telling them about uap they're like

1314
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,960
fascinating do you think we're being

1315
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,960
visited tell me more you tell them hey

1316
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,079
but you know what i'm interested in the

1317
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,720
idea that there is a bipedal upright

1318
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,440
mysterious primate that may inhabit

1319
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,280
remote regions of north america they

1320
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,760
laugh and i'm like again guys if you

1321
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,440
look at the fossil record we have good

1322
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,040
examples of things like that that have

1323
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,240
existed here on earth and there's

1324
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:31,680
nothing about that physically or

1325
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,720
biologically that couldn't potentially

1326
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,319
exist and yet people are so quick to

1327
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,240
dismiss it so again i think it's very

1328
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:40,000
important to kind of check ourselves in

1329
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,119
terms of

1330
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,760
you know how we and how our biases

1331
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,920
uh tend to correct our

1332
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,680
interpretations of phenomena when you

1333
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,920
come to a conference like this i hope

1334
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,359
that people are going to say okay i came

1335
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,800
for the ufos

1336
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,480
i stayed to hear about sasquatch i

1337
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:56,000
stayed to hear about other interesting

1338
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,200
topics

1339
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,800
things that i might not have been as

1340
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,720
prone toward interest in or belief in

1341
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,760
but now i'm getting a different

1342
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,760
perspective and going okay

1343
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,280
there was a lot more to that than i

1344
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:08,000
probably expected i'm sure in fact that

1345
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:09,119
when people come to this event they're

1346
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,319
going to come away with those same kinds

1347
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,079
of perspectives

1348
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,400
absolutely and you know

1349
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,480
the mantra comes to mind

1350
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,720
check yourself before you wreck yourself

1351
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,960
and i think that's all that you we

1352
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,400
really need to look at i think these

1353
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,040
conferences really put me back in my

1354
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,160
shoes and make me re-examine everything

1355
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,160
i've grown comfortable with when it

1356
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,040
comes to the ufo topic when i go to a

1357
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,040
conference like this and i hear

1358
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,359
something that you bring forward or uh

1359
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,599
michael or any of the speakers

1360
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,359
it makes me

1361
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,640
look at

1362
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:44,640
what i've been doing in a whole new

1363
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,480
light and see oh how can i now you know

1364
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,200
infuse that into my ufology you know a

1365
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,359
lot of people know me as the experiencer

1366
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,359
guy i interview experiencers i write

1367
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,839
about them the aftermath of their their

1368
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,240
events and that's great and that's like

1369
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,040
something i continue to do and pursue

1370
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,720
but then there's so many different

1371
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,800
facets to the ufo

1372
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,599
mystery and the ufo topic that i often

1373
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,680
push to the side to focus on just the

1374
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,559
human

1375
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,200
aspect of it so that's again that's why

1376
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,800
i love these sorts of things it gets me

1377
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,880
out of my comfort zone and it makes me

1378
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,400
re-examine this topic that i've

1379
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,200
dedicated half my life to in a whole new

1380
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,359
light um so i would have to agree with

1381
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,319
you um it challenges us not just as

1382
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,359
audience members but as researchers and

1383
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,160
speakers as well you know i might go in

1384
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,240
wanting to say one thing but that could

1385
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,920
change in an instant with something i

1386
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,720
hear at an event like this it completely

1387
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,760
both ruin my presentation but also make

1388
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,240
it better so yeah i would have to agree

1389
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,280
with you on so many levels um so i guess

1390
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,520
let's talk about what you guys are going

1391
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:53,200
to be speaking on michael you're not

1392
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,079
just

1393
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,000
helping to organize this you will be a

1394
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,240
speaker at the event so tell us a little

1395
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,960
about your local connection to this and

1396
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:02,800
um what you're going to be talking about

1397
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,920
at the midwest conference of the unknown

1398
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,480
well i you know i'm the resident uh

1399
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:11,040
weirdo and uh

1400
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,880
as as a ufo researcher and uh uh you

1401
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,760
know a cryptid explorer and uh ghost

1402
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:20,480
hunter you know i i travel around

1403
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,680
uh documenting uh strange locations uh

1404
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:25,839
and i do it from my town of cape

1405
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,960
girardeau which has its own fantastic uh

1406
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,640
ufo history

1407
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,000
um

1408
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,880
yeah i yeah i was they approached me and

1409
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,800
uh i i

1410
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,400
definitely you know said that i wanted

1411
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,200
to do uh some stuff on local history

1412
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,319
because i i think uh this town is and

1413
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,160
southeast missouri uh has some

1414
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,640
interesting stuff that

1415
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,640
that occurred here you know dr harley

1416
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:51,920
rutledge

1417
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,240
ran project identification out of

1418
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,079
southeast missouri state

1419
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,440
uh

1420
00:51:03,190 --> 00:50:59,440
we had

1421
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,200
the the web uh ufo injury case and of

1422
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040
course you know the cape girardeau ufo

1423
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,200
crash story so we got some

1424
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,520
interesting connections and and lore

1425
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,520
here and uh

1426
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,920
i hope to uh be able to uh

1427
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,000
uh educate some people

1428
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,760
that are interested in that so that's

1429
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,240
what i'm gonna be talking about

1430
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,160
awesome micah what are you gonna be

1431
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,839
talking about man i know you and i

1432
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,839
whenever we go to these events we're

1433
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,040
always the ufo guys so people kind of

1434
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,440
know what to expect from us but this is

1435
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,079
a um a talk that i don't believe you've

1436
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,760
given that often um in terms of what it

1437
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,760
will entail so yeah tell us a little

1438
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,599
about what you'll be you'll be speaking

1439
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,839
on and give us the tease man

1440
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,319
well i'm actually notorious for almost

1441
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,480
never giving the same lecture over and

1442
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:50,160
over again a lot of speakers kind of

1443
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,359
have two or three lectures and they go

1444
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,359
and give them i try to tailor whatever

1445
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,960
talk i'm going to give

1446
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,599
yeah i try to tailor my my talks for the

1447
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,800
event that i'm going to be at and you

1448
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,240
know with this one when michael first

1449
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,319
came to me and and said you know what

1450
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,760
have you got in mind

1451
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,200
i've been going back and spending a lot

1452
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,559
of time reading

1453
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,040
um some of the work of john keel from

1454
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,880
back in the 1960s and you got to keep in

1455
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:13,440
mind in 1966 there was a ufo wave going

1456
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,240
on

1457
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,920
in the united states we had the famous

1458
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,240
michigan swamp gas incident that you

1459
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,480
know heinrich stepped in his in his uh

1460
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,040
well his soup i guess on that one

1461
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,680
and uh and and even got some pushback

1462
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,280
from then congressman gerald ford

1463
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,599
michiganians aren't seeing swamp gas dr

1464
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,079
heineck you know and that was infamous

1465
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,559
as far as ufo history but i think that

1466
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,319
for john keel

1467
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:38,000
he's looking at this and going uh i'm

1468
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,200
gonna start studying this to a

1469
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,960
systematic analysis and in two years

1470
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,880
we'll have it all figured out well two

1471
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,480
years later he came to the novel

1472
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,839
conclusion that

1473
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,440
everything nycap and all the you know

1474
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:50,319
the ufo extraterrestrial cultists

1475
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,280
believe

1476
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,040
that ain't what we're dealing with

1477
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,760
and although i wasn't necessarily apt to

1478
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,920
conclude the same as keel did i've

1479
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,839
really always appreciated his approach

1480
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,520
let's think outside the box and start

1481
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,359
all over again and look at this and say

1482
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,720
what do we really know about this

1483
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,240
phenomenon

1484
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,839
and indeed in the early days of this

1485
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,440
phenomenon going all the way back to the

1486
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,240
first

1487
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,480
air force study project sign

1488
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,800
there was a now famous but missing

1489
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,720
document it was reportedly destroyed the

1490
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,800
estimate of the situation it made some

1491
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,800
very interesting uh assertions about

1492
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,800
what some of these technologies might be

1493
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,319
and that was talked about of course in

1494
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,000
the book that was written by the first

1495
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:28,319
head of project blue book edward rupelt

1496
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,040
so

1497
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,880
in terms of that tradition of what are

1498
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:32,079
we doing

1499
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,520
what are we looking at

1500
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,000
uh what do we know epistemologically you

1501
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:37,839
know what does this topic represent to

1502
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,559
us

1503
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,319
the the title of my presentation is

1504
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,160
unidentified aerial phenomena past

1505
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,240
present and future potentials and we're

1506
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,000
going to be looking at again the

1507
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:48,319
now seemingly discarded history of this

1508
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,280
subject

1509
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,119
that the current members of

1510
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,599
investigative uh groups in government

1511
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,040
that are looking at this

1512
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,359
according to my sources apparently have

1513
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,599
very little to any interest in we're

1514
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:00,880
going to look at that very necessary

1515
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:02,440
history and it's not going to start in

1516
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,079
1947 or 1944 or even 1943 we're going to

1517
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,680
go back much further

1518
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,400
and look at a brief perspective on the

1519
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:12,160
history of this topic

1520
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,200
and then

1521
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,880
understand in the present moment what

1522
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,240
that means and also what the future

1523
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,800
potentials from study of uap might mean

1524
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,319
for us in the years ahead so it's going

1525
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,400
to be very comprehensive talk and one

1526
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,559
that i certainly hope is going to give

1527
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,760
us a very

1528
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,839
um well-rounded perspective on what

1529
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:29,760
unidentified aerial phenomena or these

1530
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,960
trans-medium phenomena that our dod and

1531
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,240
others are currently studying what they

1532
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:35,680
might represent and what that means for

1533
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,680
us all from here going forward

1534
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,240
i love that i love that man and you know

1535
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,319
i think one of my most popular episodes

1536
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,400
still of summer in the skies was an

1537
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,480
episode you did with me where we went

1538
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,200
back to the you know antiquity time in

1539
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,760
terms of flying shields and the way we

1540
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,680
you know our ancestors interpreted these

1541
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,680
things in the skies and what that might

1542
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,240
say where we are in ufology now and i

1543
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,079
think that's such a um

1544
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,160
something that we don't

1545
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:06,960
hold as much value as we used to as the

1546
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,880
history of this topic uh pre roswell and

1547
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,799
i think one of the most exciting things

1548
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,200
from that conversation we had was this

1549
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,920
idea that we can look at cases from

1550
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,720
antiquity or you know up through the

1551
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,760
1800s with the the airships and whatnot

1552
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,359
and we can actually

1553
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,160
go look at like what the weather was

1554
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,920
like on the day that this event took

1555
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,160
place and what was going on in that

1556
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,480
geographical area at the time

1557
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,839
and now look at a case back then with

1558
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,480
fresh eyes and be like oh there was a

1559
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,599
weather

1560
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,440
phenomenon that occurred in this place

1561
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,520
at that time that could explain what

1562
00:55:49,789 --> 00:55:48,319
this ufo was and that blew my mind when

1563
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:49,799
you brought that up i'm like we are

1564
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,760
retroactively solving ufo cases so i

1565
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,400
love this idea of like the past present

1566
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,359
future of ufology and how it can in

1567
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,880
tandem work

1568
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,960
uh all those different timelines work

1569
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:04,880
together to find answers to this if that

1570
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,359
makes any sense or am i way off the mark

1571
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:09,040
on that no you're spot on again you know

1572
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,480
what what ryan's talking about for those

1573
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,240
who haven't watched this episode and i'd

1574
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,680
highly encourage people to go back and

1575
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,960
check it out

1576
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,359
we kind of broke down in real time an

1577
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,319
example of looking at a historic case

1578
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,920
uh this one had actually been i believe

1579
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,359
a light that was seen hovering over

1580
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,839
jerusalem for several days

1581
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,720
and

1582
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,160
what we were able to do is we were able

1583
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,760
to look at possible

1584
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,839
explanations with the help of modern

1585
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,079
stellarium you know star

1586
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,480
charting technologies because again in

1587
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,400
terms of the way that the earth orients

1588
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,280
itself with the star field around us

1589
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,160
there are absolutely i mean down to to

1590
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,079
the minutiae there are consistencies

1591
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,520
that can be tracked throughout time and

1592
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,160
not only can we predict when we have you

1593
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,319
know future alignments then you know

1594
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,920
that are going to occur of planets and

1595
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,520
things along these lines

1596
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,079
we can also look back and we can see

1597
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,680
past events and we have a lot of

1598
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,280
knowledge based on the stellar debris

1599
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,040
that's left after you know for instance

1600
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,040
a star explodes in the in the remnants

1601
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,760
of the supernovae we have a good idea of

1602
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,359
when there are actually ways that

1603
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,520
astronomers based on the rate of the the

1604
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,839
movement of this star stuff as sega

1605
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,599
would have called it through space that

1606
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,440
we can measure that we can gauge when

1607
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,200
the actual event would have occurred and

1608
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,960
therefore we can trace back in time when

1609
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,920
there would have been a bright light

1610
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,200
that would have been seen in the sky for

1611
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:25,359
about a week or two and then we can look

1612
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,640
at data about historical observations of

1613
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,720
again what we might call uap and say

1614
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,960
okay cool as we expected people said

1615
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,319
that they saw a bright light in the sky

1616
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,240
during this period now i'm by no means

1617
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,400
the only person or the best in fact in

1618
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,760
terms of researchers who are doing this

1619
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,599
there are a lot of very

1620
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,640
very skilled uh ufo historical

1621
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,400
researchers who are using this kind of

1622
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,520
information

1623
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,240
historical data you know stellarium

1624
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,839
software and other things like this to

1625
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,920
help us unravel clues about past

1626
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,920
examples of uap what's interesting is

1627
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,119
when you get something you can't

1628
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,280
identify that you can't explain

1629
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,799
and then we have to look at it and say

1630
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,200
okay you know descriptions of a silver

1631
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,680
disc resembling a shield passing over a

1632
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,280
roman army

1633
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,000
might at very least qualify for a uap

1634
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,599
sighting not unlike the kinds of things

1635
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,440
that for instance members of carrier

1636
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,880
strike group 11 encountered out there

1637
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,359
off the california coast in 2004

1638
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,760
so that's what i think is most important

1639
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,760
is trying to look at do we have data

1640
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,200
that suggests there's been a longer

1641
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,040
presence of this phenomenon and again

1642
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,960
i'm so glad that folks like michael and

1643
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,160
others are also going to be talking

1644
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,319
about the history of this subject

1645
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,680
because you know again everything that's

1646
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,359
been indicated to me about the current

1647
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,599
or the forthcoming efforts of the arrow

1648
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,240
as we decided to call it

1649
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,520
they're not very interested in looking

1650
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,200
at historical information they want to

1651
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,280
look at what we can collect now with the

1652
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,760
best material and the best technology

1653
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,319
and go forward and i respect that but i

1654
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,160
also think that one day historians are

1655
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:51,760
going to look back and say this

1656
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,040
phenomenon didn't begin in 2019 or 2017

1657
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:57,119
it's been with us for a long time and

1658
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,319
we're going to have to understand that

1659
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,400
history also to see the bigger picture

1660
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,400
about that so michael's lecture

1661
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,839
on lecture going to be looking at the

1662
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,839
history uh i think we're all going to be

1663
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,319
trying to put together the the temporal

1664
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,160
some not my microphone here the temporal

1665
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:11,920
components of this phenomenon throughout

1666
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,640
time and what it means to us now brian

1667
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:16,480
that human perspective on the phenomenon

1668
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:20,000
that's so integral to understanding uap

1669
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,599
thank you michael well you know i can't

1670
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,480
pretend that you know witness testimony

1671
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,799
is anything to bring in front of uh you

1672
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:27,839
know

1673
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,280
a court of law but look people have been

1674
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,520
sent to prison put on murder

1675
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,079
uh you know death row because of witness

1676
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,559
testimony so there is something to be

1677
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,599
said about uh where my sort of ufology

1678
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,160
lay in all this but um i can't pretend

1679
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,240
that it's the be-all end-all i think

1680
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,200
data in history is an extremely

1681
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,319
important part to this entire mystery um

1682
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,040
i will just say right now i am going to

1683
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,079
be giving a lecture um that i have given

1684
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,960
before but in a entirely new

1685
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,839
light um the beauty of what i do

1686
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,200
is um

1687
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,520
i am constantly hearing new stories and

1688
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,160
i am constantly investigating new cases

1689
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,920
and that's where the human perspective

1690
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,880
comes in so i now have new people that i

1691
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:16,960
can bring forward that have never talked

1692
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,160
about their incidents before including

1693
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,760
uh a

1694
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,240
one of the pilots who encountered one of

1695
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,680
these things off of one of those

1696
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,200
carriers will be

1697
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,599
a part of one of my uh one of my

1698
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,960
lectures

1699
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,280
out in missouri and talking for the very

1700
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:35,040
first time about

1701
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,920
her

1702
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,640
very personal thoughts and theories on

1703
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:40,240
what she experienced

1704
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,160
over the coast of california there so

1705
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,640
i'm really excited about that it's um

1706
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,400
it's it's unlike anything i've done

1707
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,280
before in terms of the individuals i'm

1708
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,200
going to be presenting there in their

1709
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,200
story so i'm excited about that but

1710
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,359
michael i want to ask you man we don't

1711
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,440
just have ufology going on at this thing

1712
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,359
like we said earlier what are some of

1713
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,280
the other uh talks that we're gonna be

1714
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,400
hearing and um maybe a few of the most

1715
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,319
interesting that you find interesting i

1716
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:08,240
know they're all your babies this is

1717
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,359
what your event that you're

1718
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,680
co-organizing but um yeah would you mind

1719
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:13,200
touching on maybe a few of the other

1720
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,640
speakers and what they'll be talking

1721
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:15,839
about

1722
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:18,559
well as you guys have already uh

1723
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:21,280
alluded to you know these uh

1724
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:25,599
these anomalies uh so to speak are

1725
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,520
are connected in the fact that they are

1726
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:28,880
mysteries

1727
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,839
uh that are challenges to science and

1728
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,319
you know questions are brought up as to

1729
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:36,160
you know what constitutes sufficient

1730
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:37,280
evidence

1731
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:40,720
uh you know what uh constitution

1732
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,599
constitutes a methodological program of

1733
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,200
investigation

1734
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,240
um how can we find out the truth behind

1735
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,079
you know some of these anomalous you

1736
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,720
know very divergent anomalous uh

1737
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,359
circumstances and uh

1738
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,520
all these questions will be uh erased

1739
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,160
and asked and we will have people in

1740
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,000
in uh

1741
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,839
in different fields to you know try to

1742
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,599
come up with you know some ideas and

1743
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,839
some answers we got uh

1744
01:02:12,430 --> 01:02:09,920
people from the ufological

1745
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,440
uh research uh field we got

1746
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:15,599
cryptozoologists we got uh ghost hunters

1747
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,400
uh we have keel experts we have uh you

1748
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,599
know uh

1749
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,720
uh

1750
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:22,880
people from the mothman museum you know

1751
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,079
we have sort of a divergence of uh

1752
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,880
uh of people um

1753
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:30,799
it's really sort of uh

1754
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,000
uh amazing to see uh we got zach bales

1755
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:36,319
who is a a a

1756
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,319
a writer a teacher and uh

1757
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:42,720
he investigates all different kinds of

1758
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:45,039
strange things we got steve ward

1759
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:48,559
uh he was a a keel uh researcher he does

1760
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:49,760
tours of

1761
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:54,240
uh mothman uh area and also he works at

1762
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,200
the uh

1763
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,319
mothman museum in point pleasant

1764
01:03:02,549 --> 01:02:59,680
so jealous

1765
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:02,559
yeah it's like my dream job yeah great

1766
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:05,920
great gig there uh margie k who was uh a

1767
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:08,559
director of uh missouri mufon for many

1768
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:09,680
years

1769
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,119
uh you know a long time researcher here

1770
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,440
uh she also

1771
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:16,480
has a

1772
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:20,319
within

1773
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:21,760
all of these different paranormal

1774
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,720
communities uh courtney block is

1775
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,200
uh the liminal librarian or

1776
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,119
i think it's what she

1777
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,280
she has called but she uh she's written

1778
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:34,000
several ghost hunting books uh she's a

1779
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,280
librarian

1780
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:38,400
from indiana so uh she's uh

1781
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,520
you know we're trying to bring some of

1782
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:42,000
the younger people people with new ideas

1783
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,359
and uh

1784
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:45,280
people that you know do you have a good

1785
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,160
uh

1786
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,559
basis expertise in the fields that

1787
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,559
they're coming from joshua

1788
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,240
cutchen is gonna bring some of the

1789
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:53,760
esoteric uh

1790
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,680
you know discussion into the mix uh

1791
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,520
be prepared to talk about fairies you

1792
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,240
know and folklore and and uh

1793
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,880
uh all manner of high strangeness with

1794
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,200
the with any of these speakers because

1795
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:09,119
we're gonna hear some uh

1796
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:11,920
some uh things about loch ness monster

1797
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:15,280
and bigfoot and mothman and valiant thor

1798
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:16,640
and uh

1799
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:20,400
conspiracies and also you know uh

1800
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:23,200
uh uaps and science and the limits of

1801
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:26,000
science and uh you know we're gonna

1802
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,280
we're gonna

1803
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,400
great conversations on the stage and

1804
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,400
then the panels and uh

1805
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,920
in the parties afterwards so it should

1806
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,119
be great

1807
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,839
absolutely um and i know

1808
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,280
and i already know some of the people

1809
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:41,680
that will be in attendance and like you

1810
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:44,880
said uh they have just as much right to

1811
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:47,760
be up on that stage as micah and i do so

1812
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,480
i'm excited to have conversations with a

1813
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,720
lot of the attendees at the um the after

1814
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:55,359
parties and tell us a little about this

1815
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,000
after party that's taking place in a

1816
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,400
haunted location is that correct because

1817
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,760
this will not be the first haunted

1818
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,920
location micah hanks and i have been in

1819
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,160
together after a couple of drinks if i'm

1820
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,480
not mistaken yeah i think i heard about

1821
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,200
that um no uh uh yeah we're gonna have

1822
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:13,680
some uh some vip stuff you know some

1823
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,119
some receptions and uh other extra

1824
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,559
activities i think we'll probably have

1825
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:21,119
some ghost tours or you know maybe a ufo

1826
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,720
tour a a few artistic things going on i

1827
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,240
think there might be a performance of

1828
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,480
war of the worlds the radio show

1829
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,720
uh by a local group of

1830
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,240
artists i think that'll be fun and

1831
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:34,559
interesting uh but we will also have you

1832
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,319
know a a reception to celebrate you know

1833
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:41,039
our inaugural event at uh the local

1834
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:42,880
victorian haunted house that was

1835
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:45,760
featured on uh ghost hunters a few

1836
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,200
seasons ago we will be uh

1837
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:51,200
having some great social time there and

1838
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,000
and

1839
01:05:56,029 --> 01:05:54,880
can't have a better place

1840
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,039
to do that you know in a

1841
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,240
phenomenological location

1842
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,920
and hopefully we'll experience some

1843
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:01,200
stuff

1844
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,839
and have some great

1845
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,119
conversations absolutely and just

1846
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:07,119
because you're a specter does not mean

1847
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,079
that you uh are getting in for free so

1848
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,440
if you want ghosts and humans alike uh

1849
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,319
we have some vip discount codes for you

1850
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:18,799
right there for the event um hanks vip

1851
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,520
spread vip huntington vip um just put

1852
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,760
that in at checkout and you will get a

1853
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:25,520
significant discount off the ticket

1854
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,359
price to this event um i can't wait i

1855
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,319
don't do episodes where i just you know

1856
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,960
kind of market an event and again it's

1857
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:36,640
not just because us three are speaking

1858
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:38,960
at this i do truly believe this is going

1859
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:42,400
to become a big thing in the midwest and

1860
01:07:13,589 --> 01:06:43,200
i

1861
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,599
you know just maybe an hour and a half

1862
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,319
or two hours south of st louis we're

1863
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:18,319
right on the mississippi river we are a

1864
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:19,520
river town

1865
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,640
uh we have a great nightlife down there

1866
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:24,720
that celebrates that uh

1867
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:27,039
we are in cape girardeau missouri the uh

1868
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,280
uh event is uh at the drury plaza

1869
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,200
conference center uh

1870
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,920
in in cape girardeau missouri uh august

1871
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,359
5th through 7th

1872
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,000
uh we're doing three days uh 10 speakers

1873
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,720
panel and then you know a vendor's room

1874
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,359
and then all sorts of you know fun stuff

1875
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,960
uh and uh you know this will be our

1876
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,319
first time out

1877
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:50,160
uh uh

1878
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,280
some of these people have you know

1879
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,440
worked on other conferences and stuff so

1880
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,119
i think logistically it's all gonna be

1881
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,720
great and

1882
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,440
we anticipate uh in future years adding

1883
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:01,680
things like film festivals and and

1884
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,280
workshops and uh you know

1885
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,200
paper presentations and all that sort of

1886
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,640
stuff so we we hope to use this as a as

1887
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,359
a way to improve these uh communities

1888
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:15,920
and to have fun and to you know get back

1889
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,880
to socializing and and and having

1890
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,640
community so

1891
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,719
absolutely man i think again these

1892
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,719
conferences are kind of an excuse for us

1893
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,480
all to just get together

1894
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,960
in the community that we love that we

1895
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,520
hate but at the end of the day we all

1896
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,000
have these burning curiosities in common

1897
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,480
and i can't think of a better way to um

1898
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,319
embrace a community and i'm truly

1899
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,400
honored to be a part of that community

1900
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:42,719
and uh with all these amazing people so

1901
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,759
um yeah we'll we'll we'll end it there

1902
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,560
gentlemen but before we go i've kept you

1903
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,799
for long enough um tell us where we can

1904
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,880
find everything you're up to

1905
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,040
and um yeah michael let's start with you

1906
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,040
man where can we find more about your

1907
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,719
work and everything you're up to well

1908
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,560
let me get the plug in for our

1909
01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:02,319
conference midwest conference on the

1910
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,550
events.com

1911
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,120
uh or you know do your search engine

1912
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,359
thing uh you can go to my facebook i

1913
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,520
think we got some links all of us have

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some links up there uh

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and check it out and if you can make it

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great if not keep us in mind for future

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years and uh you know give us your ideas

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on the sort of thing you want to see in

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the conversations you want to see have

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happen

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uh uh i'm accessible on social media i'm

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on facebook twitter

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uh michael huntington you can you can

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find me there i do instagram stuff as

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well

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uh

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forward to that you know

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so thanks thanks for uh

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getting involved and and let's have some

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absolutely brother i i don't know if

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that's cutting out for the rest of

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everyone out there too are my internet's

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been a little wonky but no michael thank

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you thank you for everything you do my

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man you keep us you keep us young and

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you keep us old on twitter and you

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challenge us and we need more of that in

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the ufo twitter space so thank you my

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man um i'm gonna let you go i'm gonna

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get micah's contact info here and uh we

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will see you in missouri very soon my

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friend all right take care guys

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we'll see yes

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yes indeed and as far as me

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you know it's it's it's not hard to find

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me online micahanks.com where i've got

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it right there you know and at micah

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hanks on twitter

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uh it helps when you make everything

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your name right so it really does it

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really does man hey i i in the reason i

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wanted to end here with you micah is

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because um you know you have been a busy

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man you've been all over the country as

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of late doing conferences and everything

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but that doesn't stop you from running

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the debrief over there so um tell us

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where we can find everything you got

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going on over there and maybe a little

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about what's to come with the debrief

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well we've always got a lot uh that

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we're working on and you know the

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debrief of course

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has been a uh

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quite a

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change for my own workflow and lifestyle

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for the last couple of years it's been

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all hands on deck even more so beginning

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early this year when i took over

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full-time as editor-in-chief

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that in addition to producing our weekly

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newsletter the intelligence brief of

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course i'm usually writing at least

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short articles off in features

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throughout the week as well we've been

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covering everything from all the uh

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ongoing developments in in washington

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with regard to uap to the james webb

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space telescope a lot of defense issues

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which mostly kind of falls into the

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purview of what my colleague tim

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mcmillan reports on chris plains been

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doing fantastic space and science

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01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,880
maverick science reporting you know i

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01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,640
focus a lot on space these days too and

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01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,080
over at the debrief you can expect to

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see a lot of all those topics is we're

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looking at things that really

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fundamentally all have one thing in

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common they are interesting uh they uh

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often indicate scientific developments

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that are changing our lives

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and they're things that really we should

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all be keeping tabs on as we move every

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01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,480
steadily into the future so you can

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follow all of that over there at

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thedebrief.org

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and of course you can also uh follow our

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01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,480
collective work and efforts there at

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debriefmedia on twitter

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that's the handle on twitter to follow

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01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,920
the debrief we've got a lot of followers

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01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,679
and try to keep all of our information

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going out there and keep the dialogue

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01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,960
going but uh we're pretty much available

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in all places as well social media wise

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instagram facebook

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and uh what have you but all of that can

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be found at the debrief.org with regular

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01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,560
daily reporting at least on weekdays on

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01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,480
all of these fascinating subjects

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happening in our world

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absolutely my man and again keeping us

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01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:59,040
on our toes you're always at the

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forefront of what's going on in the

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world of tech defense science and of

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01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,560
course

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01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:06,960
uap something you and i will be talking

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about in just a few short weeks here so

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micah

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i can't wait man to tip back a beer with

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01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,640
you again and um this will be my first

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01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,640
time seeing you in a while buddy so get

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ready it's gonna be an interesting

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01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,400
couple days in missouri well it

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01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,159
certainly will and you know i'm looking

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forward to lots of catching up you and i

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are long overdue for and you know a beer

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and uh you know i'm going to give you a

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hug too buddy because it's been far too

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01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,719
long and i think we're overdue for that

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and some real good old-fashioned ufo

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talk like we always do

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absolutely my man and everyone join us

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in missouri august 5th through the 7th

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micah i'm going to say good night my man

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talk a little shop with the viewers here

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and i'll see you and michael very soon

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01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:49,360
looking forward to it my friend all

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right talk to you soon buddy take care

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01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:55,920
and then there was one guys i have to

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truly thank michael and and micah for

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hanging out with us tonight and talking

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all the latest uap news and about the

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01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:03,920
conference coming up so again we will

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01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,679
have links in the show notes for the

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event and everything that micah and

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01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,640
michael are up to um but yeah check it

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01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,080
out cape

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events dot com is where you can get

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01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:16,719
tickets uh and again we will have those

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01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,840
discount codes for you as well below

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make this

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a huge inaugural event please please we

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would love to have you guys out there i

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01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,120
truly believe this is going to be

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something big in the future so yes join

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01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,760
us there in missouri august 5th through

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01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,800
the 7th other than that i did a review

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01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,400
last night over at the unidentified

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01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:38,480
celebrity review with luis simenes

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01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,760
rather be squidding and chupacabra and

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01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,280
it was a lot of fun we talked about

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01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,600
jordan peele's new movie nope which is

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01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,080
getting a lot of very uh polarizing

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01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,640
reviews whether you loved it or hated it

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01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,000
what did we think

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01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,640
go check it out over on the ucr youtube

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01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,440
page or the audio is available right now

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01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:59,199
on our patreon

2071
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,960
campaign where you can help support

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01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,880
somewhere in the skies so go to

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patreon.com

2074
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:07,760
summerskies to hear our review of nope

2075
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,000
jordan peels latest ufo themed film uh

2076
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,080
other than that the podcast is available

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01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:16,960
wherever you get your shows on all

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01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,400
available podcast platforms um and this

2079
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:22,880
will be the episode for this week so i

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gotta get editing right now for that so

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i'm gonna say good night to all of you

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thank you so much for joining us tonight

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for this very special live stream with

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michael huntington and micah hanks it

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01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:36,560
was truly an honor thank you to our

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01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,440
super chat and super sticker uh

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folks here we got matthew riot and we

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also have scoston thank you so much guys

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for your support of the show and i

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01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:49,040
should have read this when micah and

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01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,880
michael were still here matthew wright

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01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,239
says where can i find the huntington

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01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,080
hanks only fans

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01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:56,800
oh uh i'll let you talk to them about

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01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,360
that my man that is a conversation for

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01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,000
another day thanks thanks matthew ryan

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always always fun having you here my man

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01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,000
so with that guys i'm going to say good

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night thank you as always for joining us

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here at summer in the skies and as

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always keep your feet on the ground but

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never stop searching somewhere in the

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skies we will see you in missouri august

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01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:20,239
5th guys have a great night and i'll

2105
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,110
hey guys ryan here the summer in the

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01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:30,320
skies podcast is a labor of love every

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01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,480
week and with that comes many different

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01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:34,960
costs to keep the show running that's

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01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,679
where our patreon campaign comes in you

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01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,760
give what you think the show is worth

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there's different rewards available all

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01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:51,920
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01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,280
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01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:56,960
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